Bookmark and Share print

Is It Wrong for an IB Preacher to Preach in a Southern Baptist Church?
September 14, 2010
David Cloud, Way of Life Literature, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061
866-295-4143,
fbns@wayoflife.org
Recently I received the following challenge:
 
“I want to thank you for your ministry. It has been a help to me much over the years.
I would like to clarify one minor thing with you, though. In your letter to Clarence Sexton, you stated about Andrew Phipps: ‘Another speaker scheduled for the Friends conference in April is Andrew Phipps (shown right). He regularly speaks at Freewill Baptist, Southern Baptist, Christian Unity, Social Brethren, and other types of churches.’

“I do not dispute with you that this man has problems and I agree with you that this pattern of preaching indicates a real problem. It is here that I would like to make a distinction. Though I am an ‘old school,’  separated Independent Baptist, where I preach is between myself and God alone.  It is He who called me to preach the gospel. I’ll preach anywhere as long as they don’t mess with my message or invitation. Preaching in a Freewill Baptist church doesn’t make me a Freewill Baptist. Preaching in a Southern Baptist Church doesn’t make me Southern Baptist, etc., etc.  
“However, I understand your point.  If I am asked over and over to preach in Southern Baptist Churches like Andrew Phipps ‘regularly speaks’ at these places, I would want to examine my message and invitation to make sure they were right before God. But, an Independent Baptist preacher preaching in a Southern Baptist church does not automatically make him a compromiser. If the door opened, I would preach in a Catholic church or a Mormon church or a Southern Baptist church or in a prison or in a nursing home or on the street, so long as they do not tamper with my message or invitation. I pray God to give me the backbone to preach uncompromisingly as those Old Testament prophets did before the wicked kings and nations.
 
“I just wanted to clarify this for young preacher’s sakes, that they do not get the idea that they cannot preach in certain places.  God may use a preacher to help lead a false church to the true gospel. God may use a preacher to lead a wayward church to the truth. God may use a preacher to lead a Southern Baptist Church to become Independent. Thanks for reading my rantings.”

REPLY FROM BROTHER CLOUD

Thank you for taking the time to write and to do it in such a gracious manner. Your e-mail is a model for how to communicate concerns effectively and properly to a preacher.

This is an exceedingly important issue, and I am glad you brought it up.

I believe a man might make an exception and on a rare occasion preach in a compromised church. I would never call a man out in my writings just because he preached once in an SBC or Freewill Baptist church. But when a man makes this a working principle, he is wrong, as you yourself have noted. That, of course, is all I was talking about in the open letter to Pastor Sexton. The Bible warns that the leaven of error corrupts the truth, and this is the purpose of separation. Good apples don’t redeem spoiled ones.

Further, if a man goes to a compromised church and preaches the truth, one of two things will happen, that church will repent or he will not be invited back! I once preached one whole Sunday in an SBC church without knowing beforehand that it was SBC. They hated the preaching so much that they fired the pastor for inviting me! The man who is repeatedly invited to preach in SBC churches, worldly IB churches, Freewill Baptist churches, and such is not preaching the right thing, in my opinion. He is tickling the ears of the rebellious. I take it from your e-mail that we agree on this.

I warned about Dr. Sexton’s conference because separation is being weakened on every hand among Independent Baptists in our day, and if ever there were a day to be separatists it is today! What we need are separation conferences. Every IB Bible college should have one of those every year. But the silence is deafening. One of the few schools that will even touch such a thing and have someone like me in to inform and warn is Fairhaven Baptist College. You see, separation doesn’t build big institutions!

Separation is nothing to play around with. It is no minor thing. We really have to get this one right. My alma mater Tennessee Temple and its home church Highland Park Baptist in Chattanooga, decided to soften its stand on separation and it wasn’t long before they were back in the Southern Baptist Convention’s deeply compromised fold and now they are well on their way to an emerging church perspective.

As for leading a church out of the Southern Baptist Convention, I believe this should be done only when the church actually invites a preacher to do it and everything is up front. If a man is invited on the condition that he lead the church out of the SBC, there is be nothing wrong with that. But to go with a secret objective of leading the church away from its heritage is wrong.

What I strongly disagree with is in the idea that a man is at liberty to preach in a Roman Catholic Church or a Mormon Church, because the Bible clearly restricts my liberty at this point. We are forbidden to preach in forums associated with false gospels, false christs, false spirits, and other such “cardinal errors.” See Romans 16:17; 2 Corinthians 6:14; 2 Timothy 3:5. I believe these Scriptures are clear and unequivocal.

I was actually shocked and saddened to hear you say that you say this. This was the very error that led to the great downfall of Billy Graham and an entire generation of “evangelicals.” They decided they had the liberty to go wherever they were invited under any forum, theological modernist, Roman Catholic, SDA, you name it. The result has been predictable. They disobeyed God’s Word and confusion and great harm to the truth has been the product. Billy Graham did not strengthen the theological modernists and Roman Catholics to a more biblical position, but they definitely weakened him and millions of his comrades to greater and greater compromise. He has stated support for infant baptism, has denied the fire of hell, and has even allowed for the salvation of unbelievers. The Bible does not say in vain, “Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners” (1 Corinthians 15:33). How many apparently think that this verse does not apply to them! We think of Billy Graham, Harold Ockenga, Jerry Falwell, Jack Van Impe, James Robinson, and a frightful slew of others.

I have been invited to preach in a Jehovah’s Witness church and my son was invited to preach in a Seventh-day Adventist church. We declined, because these “churches” hold a false gospel, and it would be disobedience and confusion to preach in such a forum. If they want to hear the truth, it is readily available. No one is keeping them from it. It is available in sound churches, in sound books, on the Internet, and in other ways. I don’t need to compromise God’s Word to preach to heretics in their own churches. They need to obey God’s Word and turn to the truth that is already available. I have never gone to a Charismatic church and preach and thus join hands with their false spirit (and their false gospel and false christ, in many cases), but I have seen many Charismatics come out and join good churches through my preaching via the printed page and on our web site.

What about Paul preaching in Jewish synagogues or to the pagan philosophers on Mars Hill? The Bible makes a distinction between our association with the world and our association with heretics. We are allowed to preach to pagans in about any forum, but we not allowed to go to a forum of heretics and preach. Though Paul preached on Mars Hill and in Jewish synagogues, but he never preached in a convention of Galatian heretics! One is allowed; the other is forbidden. Our relationship with professing Christians who disobey God's Word is different than our relationship with the world. Paul developed this principle in 1 Corinthians 5:9-13.

The doctrine of separation is a neglected, despised, and misunderstood doctrine in the average Independent Baptist church, and this should not be so.

In Christ, Bro. Cloud



- Receive these reports by email
- "About" David Cloud
- www.wayoflife.org

______________________

Sharing Policy: Much of our material is available for free, such as the hundreds of articles at the Way of Life web site. Other items we sell to help fund our expensive literature and foreign church planting ministries. Way of Life's content falls into two categories: sharable and non-sharable. Things that we encourage you to share include the audio sermons, O Timothy magazine, FBIS articles, and the free eVideos and free eBooks. You are welcome to make copies of these at your own expense and share them with friends and family, but they cannot be posted to web sites. You are also welcome to use excerpts from the articles in your writings, in sermons, in church bulletins, etc. All we ask is that you give proper credit. Things we do not want copied and distributed freely are items like the Fundamental Baptist Digital Library, print editions of our books, electronic editions of the books that we sell, the videos that we sell, etc. The items have taken years to produce at enormous expense in time and money, and we use the income from sales to help fund the ministry. We trust that your Christian honesty will preserve the integrity of this policy. "For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward" (1 Timothy 5:18).

Goal:Distributed by Way of Life Literature Inc., the Fundamental Baptist Information Service is an e-mail posting for Bible-believing Christians. Established in 1974, Way of Life Literature is a fundamental Baptist preaching and publishing ministry based in Bethel Baptist Church, London, Ontario, of which Wilbert Unger is the founding Pastor. Brother Cloud lives in South Asia where he has been a church planting missionary since 1979. Our primary goal with the FBIS is to provide material to assist preachers in the edification and protection of the churches.

Offering: We take up a quarterly offering to fund this ministry, and those who use the materials are expected to participate (Galatians 6:6) if they can. We do not solicit funds from those who do not agree with our preaching and who are not helped by these publications. We seek offerings only from those who are helped. OFFERINGS can be mailed or made online with with Visa, Mastercard, Discover, or Paypal. For information see: www.wayoflife.org/about/makeanoffering.html.



Way of Life Literature

 

Publisher of Bible Study Materials